Ray McGovern served as a CIA analyst for 27 years, from the administration of John F. Kennedy to that of George H. W. Bush. In January 2003, Ray co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) to expose how intelligence was being falsified to “justify” war on Iraq. He joins us as the Iraq invasion took place 20 years ago in March 2003. Now another president wages a proxy war in Ukraine. Ray McGovern joins us from Washington in the second part of a two-part interview. (Part 1)