We all love and respect our ancestor and freedom fighter Frederick Douglass. But in the 21st century, nobody is trying to imitate his haircut or wear his 19th century clothes. So why is 21st century black America still stuck with Frederick Douglass's political strategy, 140 years later? And how's that old stuff working out for us, anyway?
Black American Politics in the 21st Century: Is It Time For A New Plan?
By BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon
When our esteemed ancestor and freedom fighter Frederick Douglass famously declared, back in the 1870s that “the Republican party is the ship and all else is the storm” he summed up black America's rules of engagement with the nation's political and electoral apparatus. It must have seemed like a good idea at the time. After all, nineteenth century Democrats were the Confederate party, the party of secession and slavery, with whom no accommodation was possible. So there it was. The Republican party of that era was the ship, and all else the storm.
But like rides on other ships we have taken, this one did not go to a happy place. Before Emancipation was a dozen years old, Northern white Republicans were washing their hands and looking the other way while Southern black Republican sheriffs, assessors, judges, county, state, federal legislators and other officials, were evicted from their posts amid hails of gunfire, white mob violence and ubiquitous threats. Republican voters in the South, mostly black, were driven from the polls by a reign of terror that robbed many of their lands and businesses took thousands of mostly black lives, while white Northern Republicans averted their eyes and did nothing.
But this betrayal failed to shake the rock solid political allegiance of most African Americans. For the most part, the Republican party was still the ship, and all else, the storm. Where and when they were allowed to vote at all, blacks continued to vote Republican. Over the next five decades, hundreds of thousands left Dixie for better opportunities throughout the north and west, where for the most part they remained Republicans. The Frederick Douglass strategy held sway over most of black politics till the Great Depression of the early 1930s, when black America finally jumped that Republican ship for the Democratic one.
You'd think that our political leaders of that era time might have been half as smart as LeBron James's agents, and negotiated us a sign-on bonus. They might have demanded voting rights for blacks in the solidly Democratic South, or perhaps a federal law against lynching in return for our allegiance --- it should be remembered that in the South and much of the rest of the country from the 1860s until the 1950s and 60s, white violence against blacks went absolutely unpunished by local and federal law enforcement officials --- or at least open white opposition to Jim Crow on the part of Northern white Democrats. But sadly, they did not. When black America abandoned the Republican ship for the Democratic one in the 1930s, we got the same deal we had with the Republicans. We kept the vote outside the South, where we already had it. And now the Democratic Party was designated the ship, and all else the storm.
It's been that way for more than seven decades, since anybody alive can remember. Although black America has switched parties, we have carried Frederick Douglass's 1870 rules of engagement with the US political and electoral process with us into the 21st century, picking one of the two establishment political parties, and investing all of our energy, votes and political capital there, regardless of whether the result. Why? Just ask any member of the current black political class, and they'll tell you: because the Democratic party is the ship, and all else is the storm, whether that party addresses our issues, serves our interests or not. That's the way it's been since anybody can remember, and we can still hear our black political class channeling Frederick Douglass today. The Democratic Party, in which they've invested their personal careers, 75 or 80 years of our votes and the energy of generations of volunteered labor remains the ship. All else is the storm.
So how's the 1870 Frederick Douglass strategy political working out for black America nowadays?
Black people in the U.S,, to paraphrase the old saying, may have no permanent friends or enemies, but our permanent interests are easily identifiable. These are jobs, justice and human rights at home, and peace abroad. Is our 1870 political strategy delivering us jobs, justice and human rights at home, and peace abroad? If so, it's working and we should keep it. If it's not we need to ask whether or not we're doing it right, or whether it's time to try something new, and what that might look like.
Is our political strategy delivering us peace abroad?
All of our permanent interests, jobs, justice, human rights and peace are inextricably linked. We start with the last of these, because without peace abroad, none of the others are possible. The US of A is a global empire, with somewhere between 800 and 1200 foreign military bases scattered around the world. There are no Turkish Air Force officers at corner bars in rural Alabama, or Chinese Marines with bases in Michigan, and you can't find Argentine or Nigerian sailors at any US port, unless your tax dollars are paying to train them here. But there are uniformed US armed forces in more than a hundred countries. This is what the Romans and Brits did in their day, and it's what we are doing now. It's not “foreign policy,” the US does not have a “foreign policy,” it has an empire. Maintaining and extending that empire is the “foreign policy.”
Empires are horrendously expensive. For what it costs to run the war in Afghanistan for an hour or two, you could plug all the budget holes in the transit system of Philadelphia, or Atlanta, or Chicago or Califorina's BART, or fully fund the school systems in a half dozen cities the size of Macon or Birmingham or Hartford or Oklahoma City. An entire day of war funding would plug all the holes in a medium sized state budget.
Just as Martin Luther King pinpointed the war in Vietnam as the reason the 1960s War on Poverty programs could not be funded, funding the multiple wars needed to maintain and extend a global empire will absolutely prevent the funding of jobs, education, housing and health care for the foreseeable future. And just as back in the 1960s, our political class, including its black faces, regard this as a subject not to be discussed, and utterly off the table.
Our First Black President ran saying he was going to change the very mindset that made imperial wars inevitable, (of couse he didn't use the word “imperial') but as soon as he wrapped up the nomination, he embraced fictitious Bush-Cheney war policies like “the surge,” along with the rationales for wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, the Horn of Africa and elsewhere. The “antiwar Obama,” if he ever existed outside our imaginations, is dead, and now we have a Democratic “war president,” with all the unconstitutional powers grabbed by his predecessor and a few more, and a black face.
Our 1870 political strategy makes us unable to discern an enemy when he is a professed Democrat, all the more a Democrat with a black face.
Is our political strategy delivering jobs?
The short answer is Democratic political leaders don't even know what a program of delivering jobs would look like. Most Americans, if pollsters asked what the WPA and CCC of the 1930s were, can't tell you. It's no longer part of the popular memory. So here's the capsule version.
In the last Great Depression, the federal government revived the economy by simply writing checks and putting millions of unemployed Americans to work digging new subway lines, (the State Street subway tunnel in Chicago, for one example) building thousands of brand new state of the art public elementary and high schools throughout Southern California with features like music rooms, indoor gymnasiums and showers, and multipurpose auditoriums, things seldom seen outside wealthy private schools up till that time. They built public parks and swimming pools and nature trails along with roads and bridges.
This of course, gives the absolute lie to the currently popular saying that “government can't create wealth.” This was public wealth, created the same way as all private wealth, through labor, labor that put income in the hands of millions of families who promptly spent it and revived the consumer economy. The tax system of that time laid much heavier burdens on the wealthy and a much lighter tax burden on labor. But unlike today, when a huge proportion of people's taxes go for corporate welfare and imperial wars, people could see where there taxes went, and they were more satisfied with the justice of it than anybody has a right to be in the early 21st century.
At a time when unemployment is at a sixty or seventy year high, and the gap between black and white unemployment is growing faster than ever, are Democrats delivering jobs for black America? Our First Black President claims that government just cannot create jobs, that only private industry can do that, a self-evident and self-serving lie. And the vice president said only last week that the administration has no plans to bring back any of the 8 million jobs lost by what he calls the “Great Recession.”
Is our political strategy delivering us justice?
The answer here has to be negative again. Over the last thirty-five years the nation has implemented a policy of blatantly discriminatory mass incarceration of African Americans and other minorities including Latinos and Native Americans. It's a piece of national policy we've been calling attention to in Black Agenda Report and before that in Black Commentator for more than eight years, and what attorney and author Michelle Alexander eloquently describes in her book The New Jim Crow. In a single generation, from the 1960s when whites were a majority in the nation's prisons, the black American one eighth of the US population by the turn of the century furnished roughly half the nation's prisoners. No black drug or crime wave accounts for this policy shift. The nation, as Loic Wacquant puts it, simply decided to lock up five times as many people for the same amount of crime it had in say, 1980, and most of the locked up were black.
Our black Democratic politicians do talk about the wave of mass incarceration, but mostly in a sort of a “drive by” fashion, and rarely if ever even identifying mass black incarceration as a national policy in need of reversal. Proposals to end mandatory sentencing, to reduce prosecutorial discretion and the power of grand juries, to restore Pell Grants to prisoners and convicted felons are almost never heard, even from black Democrats. More common are black Democrats like Georgia's attorney general Thurbert Baker, who boasts of his key role in passing a “three strikes” law that nearly doubled the state's prison population in the late nineties.
Democrats, even black Democrats are not delivering on justice.
Are Democrats delivering on human rights?
Our first black president pledged to end torture, denounced secret imprisonment without trial, and promised to close Guantanamo, but not to close any of the dozens of other secret and near-secret US prisons around the world. But the US is still kidnapping, still torturing and still imprisoning citizens of dozens of countries, and Americans too, in offshore hellholes and on military bases around the world. The Obama administration has even introduced laws to make “legal” some of the horrible things the Bush-Cheney gang did without benefit of “legal” sanction.
As under Bush and Cheney, the rights of corporations take precedence over those of human beings. Obama campaigned against offshore oil drilling until he had the nomination locked up, then walked back to a position pretty much identical to his predecessors. Up until the BP disaster in the Gulf, the Obama administration handed out oil leases and drilling permits for a year and a half with no reviews and no safeguards.
One of the first things the administration did after the extent of the disaster became evident was to declare a no fly zone over and near the actual leak. Further regulations, including measures that make it a felony for reporters and camera people to get within 60 feet of a boat skimming oil, or a boom at sea or in the marshes, are clearly put there to conceal the extent of the calamity. Evidently, the corporate right to conceal crimes outweighs the human right to know those crimes, and the so-called freedom of the press.
So Democrats are not delivering on human rights either.
Why We Can't Change the Democratic Party From the Inside
That's been the plan for going on 75 years now. Those who claim they can do it now disregard the experience of generations of activists before them.
This author is one of those who invested more than twenty years as a Democratic activist in Chicago working with hundreds, sometimes thousands of brave, wise and generous people trying to change that party from the inside in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. We organized neighborhood by neighborhood around housing, policing, gentrification, Reaganomics, apartheid and unjust wars from Vietnam to Central America to the Middle East. We were always well to the left of our elected Democratic leaders, but for us, the Democratic Party was still the ship, and all else was the storm. So where we could, we established persistent neighborhood organizations independent of the Democratic Party and we tapped those networks to oppose City Hall in neighborhood elections for aldermen, ward committeemen, state legislators, for countywide offices and ultimately for congressional and mayoral candidates. The cumulative effort of those networks I played a personal role in building, and those of networks paralleling them in neighboring parts of the city are directly responsible for the political careers of current Chicago area Democratic congressional representatives Bobby Rush, Danny Davis, Luis Gutierrez, Jesse Jackson Jr., and Jan Shakowsky, and many other local figures.
We won our share of victories, including the mayor's office in 1983 and 1987. But most of the gains we won at great cost in those years were taken back, piece by piece. Arne Duncan, the current Secretary of Education, specialized in neutralizing the measure of local parent and teacher control over individual public schools by dissolving those schools altogether and establishing charter schools in their place, a policy that has gone national with the Obama administration's cynically misnamed “Race to the Top” initiative.
To varying extents, the culture of public officaldom absorbed many of the people we put in office. For some of them, it must have been like going into the US Navy and supposing you could use it more than it would use you.
The Democratic Party has made itself people-proof, and activist-proof.
In response to efforts like ours around the country, the Democratic Party, as a vehicle of corporate rule, has evolved mechanisms to protect itself against the democratic influences of its activists and voters. Both houses of every state legislature, and the federal House and Senate, have house speakers and senate presidents, whips, minority and majority leaders. These are not the legislators with the most expansive view of how government can serve their constituents. These party leaders are elected on the basis of who can attract the largest amount in corporate campaign contributions. Some of the funds are used to guarantee the re-election of the Democratic Party leader on the state or federal level, and the party leader distributes the remaining funds to those of his or her fellow legislators most loyal to the corporate agenda. At best, Democrats who listen too closely to their constituents, and to the activist base that makes their elections possible, get nothing. At worst, they find their party's leaders are funneling corporate money to right wing Democrats who oppose them in Democratic primary elections. That's what happened to former Atlanta congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, to name just one example, and it happens scores of times every election cycle on the state and local levels. Rahm Emanuel, now White House Chief of Staff, performed this duty for Congressional Democrats in 2006, ensuring that even if Democrats had a whopping majority during the final years of the Bush Administration, they would pose no effective opposition to the Iraq and Afghan wars, or the Bush-Cheney crime wave in general.
What would a new black political strategy for the 21st century look like?
Going Republican is not an option. Today's Republican party is the party of white supremacy and empire, pure and simple. If it's time to jump the Democratic ship, this time we have to build a new one that goes where we need to go.
Democrats and Republicans don't want anybody building parties outside the two party duopoly, and have constructed a maze of discriminatory ballot access laws to prevent it. Law firms affiliated with the Democratic Party caused the 2000 and 2004 Ralph Nader campaigns to spend millions defending itself in court against spurious legal challenges. If it wasn't a weak point, an obvious point of assault, Democrats and Republicans would not make putting a new party's candidates on the ballot so difficult.
There is a network of Green parties all over the world, and while the Green party in the US has internal problems, its structure makes each individual state organization virtually independent and self sufficient. On the state level, many Green parties already have won a degree of ballot access, but are nearly empty shells, buses parked by the roadside with the keys and title in the glove compartments. It's time for black activists to walk in, put our names on those titles, take the keys, and drive these buses off.
A 21st century political strategy for black America could turn these state level Green parties into red, black and green parties by doing what the Democratic Party would do if it were a peoples party, but cannot and will not. It would entail running candidates for state legislator, for sheriff and prosecutor who pledge to find ways to roll back the tide of black mass incarceration, to oppose privatization of public resources on every level, to uphold the rights of humans over the rights of corporations. I wrote two articles back in 2005, How to Make Mass Incarceration A Political Issue, and It's Time to Build A Mass Movement which examined how running campaigns in black constituencies against mass black incarceration might spark an authentic movement in black communities that would put elderly church ladies in the same rooms and in the same political formations as young people. It's still the way to go. It's the way we're going in Georgia.
A new black political strategy would have to look beyond the next election cycle or two, and advocate policy positions, like the restoration of human rights over corporate ones, an end to privatization of schools and prisons, that cannot be accomplished in the next elections. It's not that hard. People all over the world form political parties to struggle for what they believe they need even when elections are illegal. Only in the US do supposed political activists limit the dimensions of their struggle to what might be pushed through the legislature this year or next. What they have in those other places is something we lost with the slow death of the movement in the sixties and seventies, a culture of struggle for its own sake, whether the goals are achievable this year or next, this decade or the next. With such a spirit, anything is possible, even the politically impossible.
Bruce Dixon is managing editor at Black Agenda Report, and a member since last year, of the state committee of the Georgia Green Party. Deal with it. He can be reached at bruce.dixon(at)blackagendareport.com.
















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Friends Change...Not Our Interests
We are very appreciative of this article and the critical questions it asks us to think about. For African people, too often politics and our plan for moving forward as a community are put off for sake of class peace or false hope in neo-colonialist/imperialist misleaders.
The issues of peace, jobs (economics) and social justice are not priorities for imperialist parties like the Democrats and Republicans but are literally life and death issues for African people. Nor can left-of-center parties under the leadership of the white middle class be expected to consistently embrace the interests of African and other oppressed people. The instrument of political struggle is a political party and as long as that instrument is in the hands of another community, we forfeit the ability to guarantee a future for our children.
Misleadership of African workers and other poor people is real. The failure of the major parties to produce conditions conducive for life in the African community is provable. Despite these failures, the masses of African people seem stuck on the Democratic “ship”, more adrift than sailing.
Often said by mainstream politicians, "Elections have consequences", in the real world the historical lack of getting anything in return for our support or vote has deepen the political inertia of our community. For African workers and other poor people, the Ballot or the Bullet can no longer be a speech. A movement must be built that creates an apparatus that can deliver a consequence for betraying the support of African people. We need an apparatus that can choose to function in or out of the electoral process independent of imperialist parties and in the interests of African people.
We look forward to more discussion of this issue of “which way forward” as the neo-imperialist regime of Barack Obama exposes itself more and more to be useless to the masses of African people. We need robust discussion and work that informs us how to create a genuine Black agenda, independent political action, economic self independence and self-determination.
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new strategies for the 21st century
When your article “Black American Politics in the 21st Century, Is it time for a New Plan” first appeared in my email with your main focus seemingly on Frederick Douglas, I could not help but think it had something to do with an article appearing the day before in the latest issue of the African People’s Bulletin of which I am the Publisher and editor. This latest issue of the Bulletin featured a fourth of July Speech by Douglas in 1852.
I know that Glen Ford your Executive Director follows the Bulletin periodically and apparently indicated some interest in the latest issue, according to the stats reported by my email program. I realize that because of your position with Black Agenda Report that you two must share thoughts, ideas, and perspectives quite frequently. Again, I couldn’t help but think that this might have occurred in this particular case. On the other hand, the whole thing might have just been a coincidence, especially since I can not think of any reason why that particular article in the Bulletin should have been the motivation for such a lengthy and arduous response. Additionally, It is hard for me to understand why anyone who identifies as a freedom fighter and an advocate for justice and liberation of African people would have an issue with Frederick Douglas. Then, my reaction was, what is the point you are trying make and why use Frederick Douglas to try and make it.
I was somewhat amused at first and then dismayed by your comments at the beginning of your article when you observed that Nobody was trying to imitate Douglas’s hair style or wear his 19th century clothes so why is 21st century black America is still stuck with Douglas’s Political Strategy. So what. Nobody is trying to imitate Martin Luther king or Malcolm x, hair style or clothes either but it does not take away from their tremendous contribution in inspiring African people to take charge of our own destiny, and take power from those who insist on maintaining control over our lives. That is the fundamental legacy that Douglas and those before and after him left us and that we still have not lived up to until this day. “Power yields Nothing without a demand it never has and never will”, Frederick Douglas.
You added insult to injury when you depicted Douglas in a collage with Bill Clinton, Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. Any attempt to associate Frederick Douglas with this hodgepodge of bourgeois political figures, some of whom have been contemptuous or outright hostile to our demands for justice and others who have masqueraded as our friends, only to betray our trust, is a sacrilege and an offense to all freedom loving Africans, in my opinion.
You also appear to be critical of Douglas’s association and his support of the Republican Party, often referred to as the Radical Republicans during Douglas’s time and of course which is unrelated to the Republican Party of today. Whether this characterization of radical was worthy or unworthy of their true relationship to the aspirations of Africans, or one we can look back upon with pride and reverence, the fact remains that the Radical Republicans were the only party on the landscape at that time, led by Abraham Lincoln, which had its Focus on ending slavery. The Party was initially instrumental in briefly helping newly freed blacks achieve a measure o political. power that is yet to replicated up to the present time. It was natural for Douglas to prefer them over the reactionary Democratic party. It was not a lack of vision or strategical ineptitude on his part, but a logical decision based on the politics of the time. Yes, the Republicans eventually betrayed newly freed Africans and left them vulnerable to the terror of mobs and vigilantes, as have all the political parties of our time in one way or the other, including the white left parties and other so called progressive organizations and formations. As a footnote that you may not be aware of Douglas and other Africans never depended exclusively on the Republicans or Lincoln, but formed their own fraternal organizations, some in virtual secrecy to advance their cause. These organizations existed mainly to keep pressure on the Republicans and to insure their goals were not abandoned by those in power. It was these organizations which foretold the creation and the eventual political success of the Republican Party. I think this is a strategy worth duplicating, even today.
Douglas, as I am certain you understand, was a product of his time and operated in the context of the political atmosphere and the conditions and circumstances of his era, as did all of our esteemed freedom fighters, but he was, as well as they, just as much if not more of a freedom fighter than anyone today.
My question to you is who are these people you speak of as being stuck in political strategies of the past and what political strategies are you talking about Of course Political strategies and even tactics change over time depending on the circumstances and conditions at any given moment, but the content and character of our struggle as African People have remained constant and enduring since being forcefully taken from our homeland and deposited on the shores of America,
As far as a new plan is concerned, may I remind you that many people and organizations in the recent past up until the present.have proposed , introduced and attempted to implement , provide leadership and organize around a number of plans and strategies, all of which for me are deserving of recognition and support. For instance, MOVE, the National Black Independent Political Party and The Black Radical Congress, both of which I was a member, and more recently the Black is Back Coalition and the National Democratic Uhuru Movement. I am assuming that none of these have met or meet your approval. If this is so, then you need to be more specific with what you are proposing or what you feel is the kind of organization that does not already exist or have not existed in the past, which would represent your idea as an effective tool in carrying out your “ new plan and strategies for the 21st century”, for African Liberation.
In my opinion and in all due respect, you have not made your case, and using Frederick Douglas as a sort of scapegoat for your own inability to fully articulate your position and your problem with uniting with what is already in existence or attempting to evolve does not add to your credibility.
Respectfully
Nobody is above critique
Nobody is above critique. Not Fredrick Douglass, not Malcolm X, not anybody else in the Black pantheon list of freedom male gods. Nobody is trying to say that Douglass was a horrible person, but Dixon is trying to put his political philosophy is perspective for the 21st, 20th, and 19th century in term of success. That is warranted considering that we largely still follow the main points of this article, that there is one political party that will bring salvation to the Black communities. If we have been successful in his approach, Black people would be free right now. But we weren't... and we deserve to ask why not and how to fix the holes in the plan. Criticism happens when we talk about people in a thoughtful way. We need it more than ever. And for everybody who walk line-in-step with some sort of doctrine or figure, just know that it does not mean that we cannot ask questions just because you can't seem to.
Peace
WELL SAID
"Nobody is above critique."
I could not have said it better. When I was a young man, I was often criticised by Black people whenever I asked "stupid" questions such as, "If Lincoln freed the slaves, why did the descendants of the freed slaves require a so-called civil rights movement nearly a century later?" For these people, and many others like them, it was much easier to cling to the "Great Emancipator" myth than it was to sit back and ponder the unpleasant truths contained within my question. For some reason, it appears that a large segment fo the black community would rather that we spend all of our time mindlessly worshipping people, political parties, institutions, or ideas, some from the distant past, and others which are ongoing, without ever bothering to analyze them to see if they are actually effective. These blind faiths, that some day our great (male) "savior" will come, that we always have only one political alternative, that someday, white America is going to welcome us all into its loving arms, if we just believe in America, and while we wait, continue to mindlessly copy its pathologies, are killing us.
Real Talk
When I was a young man, I was often criticised by Black people whenever I asked "stupid" questions such as, "If Lincoln freed the slaves, why did the descendants of the freed slaves require a so-called civil rights movement nearly a century later?
The African community in America has been well conditioned to make white/dominant society comfortable even if the white mans is not around that plantation mentality tkaes over, and black people will put you back on that mental plantation faster then white folks will. Its really crazy. I feel you on that, all them lies the civil rights orgs told me about multi racial america, then for 75% of black people you realize everybody is looking out for the racial group, the Asians, the Whites, "poor" whites, hispanics. We are the only group that is so infilatrated we are willing parters in the destruction of our own race.
Comprehension problem
He did not critize or critque Frerdick Douglas, what he did was give a well thought out historical analysis and comparsion to the Political Strategy of Fredrick Douglas, and how black America has used that political stratgey to justify its insane support for the Democratic Party. Federick Douglass is not beyond critism or review of his stratgies. I think the problem with too many African American is they cant look at things critically and unemotionally without making it personal. Thats one of the problems with Hero Worship.
And the brother was not critical of Douglas assication with the Republicans, he is being critical of our assication with the Democraty party, I mean I am not a fan of Bruce Dixon, because in a way he simply advoating joinging another white male political party without first gaining economic strenght of ties with our Africans cousins in Africa.
I mean I dont even know why I responded to your childish bs to be honest. Thats my flaw, I dont know how to ignore petty negroes. One thing about our brothers and sisters in Africa, they handle people the proper way who do petty shit like this. Probably something we should do more of.
As Marcus Garvey said, anytime you have a program or plan, its always some ignorant negro who has some personal problem with that person who wants to open his mouth. Your critique was sloppy and personal.
You asked what politcal stratgey ? Supporting a party that dont deliver! You arent this stupid.
I consider myself a student of Malcolm X, but when Khalid Muhammad said Malcolm X was wrong about the arab world, I didnt get all upset and emotional like a child, because while Malcolm X was a great man he may have missed somethings. And we now know that Khalid was correct, because the American governemtn told the Egyptians and Algerians to treat Malcolm X kindly, because normally they would have never met with a black muslim or what they call a Kaffir muslim in the Arab world.
Our job as African people in the 21st century is the review the work of our ancestors, and to take the good, and disregaurd the bad of what they did. That is a criticially thought out stratgey. I believe his article was for the most part accurate, I just did not like his solution of joining the Green Party.
You seem to have some petty personal grip because you are asking questions that are already answered in his article, and that you already address in your criticism of his article. We have the advantage living in the 21st century and being able to see things that Douglas didnt see. I really dont understand your problem with the collage, and for the most part, Fredrick Douglas was bourgsie, LOL. Just like Dubois and many other. If you yourself admit that Douglas was the product of his time, then why in the hell the masses of African American people giving blind support to the Democratic party? All we get is whitewashed black politicians who play the the Republicans are the racist white folks, while they maintain the status quo no differently than the Republicans do.
Why did you respond B Afrikan
Then why did you respond at all. I think your veiled threats are inappropriate regardless of what you thought about my response to the article. And I don;t know what you mean about handling people the proper way. That is part of our problem, we are always ready to so handle each other, but I see no evidence of us" handling" our oppressors. I am open to criticisms, but if you think I was petty then you certainly took pettiness to another level.
What organizations are you a part of, or have been a part of in the past. Instead of just lamenting the crimes of white people and what they have done to black people, and how we should unite with African people, why not offer some alternative. I have listed my history in working with organizations with a black agenda, what are some of the organizations you have been involved with. You must know without organization nothing can be accomplished.
I forgive all of your recriminations labels, and accusations, next time keep your criticisms straight forward. Who knows I might even learn from them.
peace
Why did you respond B Afrikan
Then why did you respond at all. I think your veiled threats are inappropriate regardless of what you thought about my response to the article. And I don;t know what you mean about handling people the proper way. That is part of our problem, we are always ready to so handle each other, but I see no evidence of us" handling" our oppressors. I am open to criticisms, but if you think I was petty then you certainly took pettiness to another level.
What organizations are you a part of, or have been a part of in the past. Instead of just lamenting the crimes of white people and what they have done to black people, and how we should unite with African people, why not offer some alternative. I have listed my history in working with organizations with a black agenda, what are some of the organizations you have been involved with. You must know without organization nothing can be accomplished.
I forgive all of your recriminations labels, and accusations, next time keep your criticisms straight forward. Who knows I might even learn from them.
peace
Pan-African Trade is a viable strategy for the 21st Century
I was reading an article written by NY Times's Paul Krugman a couple of weeks ago and surveyed the posts of several commentators. One gentleman, I believe an Asian/Indian-American provided some astounding insights. Plain and simple facts hidden by the glare of Madison Avenue. I copied, pasted and printed his comments to share with others, I say this to give credit/attribution to the lucid and provacative insights of the commentator I'm about to share, paraphrasing here and there in part, here goes:
"C.K. Prahlad explored the economic hinterland, the "Bottom of the Pyramid" market and he said that there was a "fortune at the bottom of the pyramid" and that there is a profoud "elite barrier" in consumer goods marketing."
"There is a vast untapped market, in Asia, African and Eastern Europe of people whose basic needs are not being met-food, shelter, and a little clothing. About 300 million peple in Indian alone, 500 million in African, and some 125 million in Eastern Europe are excluded from basic consumer goods market. That's about three times the current US population waiting to be reocgnized, understood and catered to. A shoe, a shirt, maybe a prefb roof overhead and a squre meal a day, not much to ask for." Africa Americans can recognize and develop the skills to meet the needs of the low margin, high volume markets hidden in plain sight before them."
-- Siddhartha Banerjee, Oxford, PA
http://www.12manage.com/methods_prahalad_bottom_of_the_pyramid.html
http://www.amazon.com/Fortune-Bottom-Pyramid-Eradicating-Poverty/dp/0131...
I thank Mr. Banerjee for his simple yet profound observations. My Liberian friend said that not only are the Chinese investing heavily in Africa but so are other ethnicities, he said there is a huge Lebanese contingency in Liberia. And he stressed over and overa again the need for basic necessities in his country. And for those of you who think this is some "Black Nationalist Pipedream" I say you are the ones sucking on smoke fumes, the fumes of a dying empire. Why does everyone recognize the market potential of Africa but African Americans? Or we so wedded to having Whites approve our actions that we can't practice capitalism??? Or is it just us "commoners," because Billionaire Bob Johnson certainly sees opportunity in Liberia/Africa?
http://allafrica.com/stories/200807300937.html
People, get a friggen grip, Pan-African economic opportunities are right before our eyes. Instead of "begging" our so-called leaders to "beg" the corrupt and bankrupt US system to give us crumbs, more WIC, more food stamps, more housing vouchers, tell them to get their asses over to Africa and use their clout to develope economic relations between African Americans and Africa. We can do this! It we fail it will happen only as a result of cowardice, mental castration, lack of imagination and vision.
Here we are, today in America, ass-out as many of us foresaw years ago, 25 and 50% unemployment in some places, Black folks on t.v. and radio begging for jobs in a failed, bankrupt empire. Jobs that will never materialize. Make fun of the nouveau "Back to Africa" movement if you want, many whites have already voted with their feet and left this country for more satisfying and meaningful lives in Europe or Australia, Canada or New Zealand. How many Jews have dual Israeli/US citizenship, or think about the Pakistanis who move back and forth between countries. Don't be a prisoner of your conscious.... or lack thereof. Don't be some pussy who's afraid to think outside the box. Folks the American markets are oversaturated, why not start a business in S. Africa or Liberia?
"Well I want to be buried next to Mommy, and Daddy." People grow the fuck up. If you are truly spirtual than where they plant your ass if you're lucky enough to get a proper planting won't matter. I tell White college kids the same thing, "why are you limiting your opportunities by pidgeon holing them in some geographical box, leave Iowa, leave the country, do what you have to do to live a fulfilling and satisfying life? Isn't it about time the average Jane and Joe suited up and join the playing field called the "global economy??" Why be pawns in this process when we can be Kings???
Thanks
Thansk for the insight, I was reading how some sunset industries are being abandoned that produce basic goods because the Asians are going heavy into Tech. We could be a Pan African Wall Street in Africa, and bring respectability back to our race. Robert Mugabe said the Anglo Saxon world is big, the whites have New Zealand, Dingland, Canuckville, and Europe.
When you think of that, then you have Henry Louis Gates saying our African ancestors were equal partners in the Global Slave Trade, why didnt they colonize any land outside of Africa??
125 million in Slavic Land
300 million in indian
500 million Afirca
I wouldnt mess around with Eastern Europe, but Indian I would give an atempt but damn 500 million in Africa, we always on the bottom! 5
When America's economy falls, so will the 'global' economy
I think under normal (LOL) circumstances, Pan-Afrikan trade as you describe it works. But, when the clock strikes midnight, and economies worldwide start to falter, there will be no such trade. People by and large will be more concerned (as if they already aren't deeply) about immediate, domestic needs than international trade. Do you think that IMF/ World Bank loans to Afrikan and other colonized nations will be allowed to go into a forbearance? It's not a matter of if, but when this global economic hot-air ballon loses it's hot air. Will it be a soft landing or a hard impact? and for whom and where?
NOW...if there is a strong enough link between raw material exporters/ light manufacturing entities among the many Afrikan nations on the Continent and Black American entrepreneurs (or vice versa) before TSHTF, yeah, Blacks will do aight. If not, there's still the Euro-American financial superstructure to contend with, and that means sustained neo-colonialism or oughtright imperial aggression. Not to mention blockades, embargoes, sanctions, travel restrictions...the usual haterisms. Remember WWII. I don't think when the bubble bursts that economic parity will manifest on Earth.
There's a quadrillion dollars in contrived global finance vs. several dozen trillion in real wealth. Too much of that raw wealth has come from Afrika. So, when monetary chaos break loose, don't expect the world, especially the West, "Middle East", and the Far East to loosen it's grip on Afrika. That's why we should go back home, not as individuals, but as a unified people, and help our homeland sisters and brothers take back what's rightfully ours by (if I may be so bold) cosmic birthright. And no, not everyone is gonna make it, but the question is, will we return as a torrent or a trickle?
"Take the kinks out of your mind, not your hair." -Marcus Mosiah Garvey
Distinctions between Integration vs Assimilation
I think that the future of Blacks in America is not prosperous under either of these modes. Assimilating into American culture is not acceptable. We are witnessing what happens when a so-called Black man can do anything he puts his mind to, even become president of this land. Let a real nigga become Commander in Chief and it'll be somethin like Wyclef's "If I Were ..." As far as integration, that's been the working mode since 1865. All of us decendants of Afrikan people speak English fluently, the majority of us know the European history better than Afrikan history, and we all spend these green-backed piece of paper with white men's faces on them on food whose origins are predominately based in Europe. What I want is a *dis*integration of Blacks from American society.
Black Power to me means Black means of production on Black land. If the Green Party isn't talking reparations (short-term) AND repatriations (long-term), then it's not my boat. We'll be better off in the long run going home (while we still can to be all the way real about it) and getting our race back on track where we left off, you know, leading the world's civilizations and things like that. Runnin' shit. (See Mansa Musa, Godfather of the 'stimulus package'.) It's nice to think we can carve out a chunk of America at some point and make it prosperous for as long as the colonizers did but I'd rather use Afrikan materials to build an Afrikan life, the same Afrikan materials that every other people on every other continent covet. (You know those Antartic scientists need them exotic minerals...follow the rabbit hole and deduce how much of Afrika is is those labs...) I know my soul is warped just being here under these terms; I could use a thorough 'blackwashing' of mind, body and spirit, and any undeniably Black woman or man couldn't reject the calling if it were strong enough to their senses. By the way, 140 years isn't that long. Garvey espoused his message 100 years ago and it is still the best example of Black organization in America, as quiet as it's kept. I think his plan IS the best plan we've come up with thus far.
The Green Party DOES address reparations in it's platform.
Our current platform page 14 section 2 line 7 available at: www.gp.org.
We're mostly ALL in the same boat brothers and sisters & with unity we can take that boat where WE want it to be docking.
As it is, we are all being pulled around to distraction & that is workin for them. What do they fear? The same thing that they ALWAYS have feared: that we, the people, start working together, thinking together and re-structuring society--- without them!
Good for you
That is so noble, but your party has too many white liberals in it, and more than likely their plan is shortsided. The Green Party are Demoratic Party reject, full of "brothers and sisters" who are more than likely just liberal wacks. I did some research on the Green Party, and I seen some type of debate with Jared Ball, McKinney and some strange looking white folks. Your party is not the answer. Because African people dont need white peoples help, nor do we need your sister, any brotherhood that involves whites dictating and being all up in our business once againt gives the image that slavery gave black people that we "need:" them when they are part of the reason for our problem. I already know its a homosexual agenda that wants to try and cloth themselves in the historical African struggle. Your party like any other white controlled party will promise things and say things it really has no plan on delevering. Democrats use the same game, then once they are in office they are behind some other shit. I read an article where bruce dixon talked about cities that are majority black where black people rotuninely vote blacks in office. Which is true and those blacks are tied to some white base of power like my city. And that is the problem, those so called white liberals play friendly yet control the community and sidetrack it. And thats all the Green Party is doing the same exact game. Then the lighter skinned half white negroes will be the example ruling over the masses. Black people as I said before need to look at the White Cuban example in Miami. They dont need whites, they simply rule the city, I would be for the Green Party if I felt the African American community could control the whites and get rid of them when we saw fit, but I dont think we as a community have reached that politcal maturity that. Its too many whites who have liberal racist attitudes in the Green Party and are using blacks to try and take control over that 16 million voting block, which as I said before should be up for grabs between 3 Parties, we should produce a platform and if D, R or G fail we remove you, or create an all black party that is vague about who they are, yet once gaining power in majority black city rule with an ironfist. I want black power, not so called brotherhood with liberal whites who are out of the loop with the mainstream white power bases, thats not going to get us anywhere. Control and Power are the African American communities power, and the Green Party doesnt offer true control, it offers what the Dems and Reps offer, "brotherhood" which is an old outdated tatic, whites need to know their black in any majority black city, country or town just as we know ours.
Where is it?
I downloaded it (GPUS Platform 2004), but do not see any explicit mention of reparations. Can you state which line you are referring to? I see letters but no numbers.
And how do you feel about a mass repopulation of American Blacks on Afrikan soil?
"We need more thinkers" Tupac
The Green Party has no real plan for African people, they just want to use our current struggle, and historical struggle for the advantage of whites behind this party. They are incognito democrats. The have no real Marshall Plan for Africa or African people. Its a ploy. The Democrats have a few members who are Pro Reparations, yet the Half Negro clean, no negro dialect president, is against them. The Green Party is no different than the Republicans or Democrats, except you have strange white folks who are outside the mainstrem of White American society, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE, and when time calls they will go back to being in the WHITE MAINSTREAM. Im going to tell you when you talk like this openly many African loyalist will get upset acccuse you of being REVERSE RACIST (something that exist). I want power to control my economic and politicals of the African community, I dont think we should have whites involved in our community planning, the chinese dont, the japanese dont, nor do the Slavic Russians. I believe we should work WITH ALL PEOPLES and RACES, for the mutal benefit of the African Global Community and theirs but we must strike fear in Liberal and well as Conservative. Our main problem is we have no real power that is measure economically, politically in which we can address issues, reform our community and remove anyone who works against the interest of the masses. The Green Party imo is a trap, They arent in the black community for, they are trying to infiltrate it family. The brothers and sisters of this site want us to go from this party to the next. NAAAAW. Even Claud Anderson after talking about our plight, talsk about good whites, Im like as soon as you want to build a black economic infrastructure you want to bring in good whites at the end, what will they give us in their community? Nothing, but the good whites want to come and see what us darkies are doing and how they can invest in and eventually take over. Im 28, I havent been as brainwashed as others. I have a degree in Business, I see how white people, asian people and any other group play group politiclas when it comes to business. That mixed race crowd of brotherhood is a gross minority and in many cases the Africans dont really vet those peopel they are with and many habor the same racist attitudes of mainstream amerikkka. Man Im not going for that okie doke! We want BP or nothing else. Fuck the Green Party, them mofos are losers. Lets get our economics right first, lets get our news right first, then we will allow the Dems ( who already got us in check) the Republicans and then Green, The Reps, Dems, and Gre are 3 parties that are controlled by whites that have some truths in all of them, neither PArty as any real long term solution for Africans. African people must do for self, we must pressure all government and corporations who profitted from our holocuast to set up a central bank in which we can build Global African Power Base. The African community is not some whore in which anyone can just come lay in our house. And thats what the Green Party needs to understand, us African Patriots arent playing and arent being fooled by them same old games. Africa, Marhsall Plan for Africa and we will still be viligant against all Eurobeast.
If we had true visionary leadership this could happen
I've always been interested in pan-African economic development, the opportunities that exist in Africa for development and commerce. The opportunities to raise the living standards of Africans in both the US and the African continent. Those opportunities are very real. Ask UNESCO, the World Bank, and the State Dept. if you don't believe me. It's the White NGOs, and businesses that are benefitting from commerce with Africa leaving the African American ass out. (The same thievery is going down in Haiti as I type this) Recently I befriended an brother from Miami who does business in S. Africa, in fact purchased the patent rights to a mechanical device developed in Africa.
http://www.voacorp.com/
Around the same time I met a Liberian brother who opened a grocery store catering to Africans and those who like tropical foods. Yes, Liberians and Africans live in Iowa too.
Both of these brothers said, "You have to go to Africa," the smiles on the faces and the "song" in their voices said as much as their words. If we could rid Africa of the uncle tom parasites that feed on their people and steal their countries wealth, African could indeed by a wonderful place to live and die in. I have no problems going to Africa, no more problem than I have of moving to Europe or Latin America, "home is where the head and heart is." The development and growth opportunities in Africa are huge.
If Black political leaders in this country were worth a shit, were worth one fucking penny, they would make sure that Africa is not pillaged and raped, they would make sure that Harvard or Meharry grads are doing cultural and economic exchanges, they would make sure a fairer commercial deal is struck between Americans (Blacks) and Africans when it comes to mineral and natural resource exploration. None of this is beyond reach. I'm no fan of Israel by any stretch, but look at what they've accomplished in 5 or 6 decades. This is all the proof we need. But it cannot, will not happen as long as we remain neutered, voluntarily neutered. The problem with commerce in Africa is that the "gatekeepers," the politicians and officials are too busy looking out for themselves rather than the general population, not all, but way to many. If Jesse and Al, and Jealous and Morial and the rest of the fucks who call themselves Black leaders, (throw in sellout Billionaire Bob Johnson for good measure) if these so-called "leaders" had one scintilla of vision, of moxie, of manhood as B. African writes, we could make some shit happen.
Instead, our leaders sit on their asses, braindead, no testosterone whatsoever and watch millions of Africans die every year, year in and year out and not raise their fucking voices. If one Jew died, the Jewish community would have a fucking fit. How many in Israel turned to the streets over 1 soldier, Shalit? Manhood is lacking in the Black community, it's that simple. It's past time these fucks parading as Black leaders be tossed to the wayside.
Obamas and NAACP
The NAACP's manufactured outrage at the behest of Michelle Obama, calling on the Tea Party to offer up "racists" is ridiculous. If there's going to be a change in Black politics, hopefully, it'll include some measure of honesty.
T.T. by God, we agree on some things!
As much as I've denigrated the Tea Party as a whole and said some downright mean things about them. I don't and can't (intellectually) consider them all racists. Some are, not all, though all might be inflicted with White entitlement, which is so much a part of our enculturation/socialization that it's normalized. There was a national story the other day about a Tea Party billboard here in Iowa depicting Obummer in a pantheon with Hitler and Stalin, the "responsible" members of the Tea Party rejected the "ad" and it soon came down. They made it clear that it did not represent the local or State Tea Party.
I think it's a waste of time and a deflection of real problems for the NAACP to make it's central platform, or "statement" from it's annual convention a "Resolution" condemning Tea Party Racism. Who cares about racism, it's endemic, and like a Timex watch: "it takes a licking but keeps on ticking." The NAACP HAS BIGGER FISH TO FRY than worrying about the Tea Party and painting all of them as racists.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100715/NEWS09/7150352/1007/ne...
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Tuesday night, the tea party group requested that the billboard company, Waitt Outdoor, remove the ad. Rhodes, the Iowa tea party chairman, said that was a good move.
"They are not working in a productive manner that we would like to see," he said. "Our message is of freedom, not fear. We don't need to use that to get our point across."
Let me share one of the more thought provoking articles I've read on the Black/White Left/Right divide in a long time. No one may agree with all of the views in their entirety but some of the observations are thoughtful to say the least. I don't fear T.T. as much as I fear Obummer or the CBC, there is no more dangerous enemy than a 5th column.
Don’t Fear the Right
They Are Potential Class Allies
by David Spero / July 15th, 2010
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/07/don%E2%80%99t-fear-the-right/#more-19526
Excerpt:
According to Jesse Walker, managing editor of Reason magazine, corporate media and government are conducting a “Brown Scare” against the Right [“Brown” as in Hitler’s brownshirts]. A Brown Scare is similar to a Red Scare and is used for the same reasons, to discredit and divide those opposed to the system, and pave the way to attack them.
“With Brown Scare tactics, serious critiques are delegitimized by being associated with fanatics,” says Walker, while civil liberties are curtailed for everyone.
Leftists should fight government attempts to marginalize the grassroots right. “Brown scares build on red scares and vice versa,” says Walker. “Out of fear of the far Right in the 30s and 40s, lots of people on the left became amenable to civil liberties restrictions they had rejected before, which were then used against them in the McCarthy era. The Tea Parties are now falling under the microscope they supported when it was used against others.”
The rulers use similar violence against Left and Right. For example, the FBI told similar scare stories about the Black Panthers and about the white militias. The Branch Davidians killed at Waco were portrayed as white supremacists, but one third of them were Black and some were Asian. “The Waco massacre parallels the MOVE case [where 11 African-American people were burned to death in a police attack in 1985] in Philadelphia,” says Walker."
EC: One more thing, as I and others have said repeatedly, the Left critique of Obummer is not that much different than the Right critique (I'm talking about the commoner not politicians per se), it rests PRIMARILY on the bankster bailout, and inability to address unemployment more than anything. Any "Rightie" who reads the comments of "Lefties" or "Progs" on the "Leftie" Blogs will read and here complaints not that different from their own.
Again, I'm no pollyanna by any stretch, but what I do know is constantly focusing on "racism"-- something as ubiquitious as the wind and the sun--, is a waste of time when the focus should be PROGRAMMATIC. If there's one thing we should have learned in Obummer's "Post-Racial America," is that no sane person talks that shit anymore. Racism, ethnocentrism, sexism, bigotry and prejudice will exist for time immemorial because fucked up people will exist til time immemorial. For the NAACP to focus on something woven into the fabric of America society but IGNORE OBUMMER'S INEPTITUDE is an appalling failure of leadership and a counterproductive diversion from real problems.
"Defend the President." You're kidding me, for what, from what???
I need to call my doctor
Cynic, I like playing philosophy ping-pong as much as anyone but I've always suspected that differences can be risen above. I don't think collectivism would fit me or the people I know but I wouldn't want to stand in the way of others who want it for themselves. It took some time to get through the different definitions we have for some terms but I respect your desire for justice.
I would be proud to stand with you against the petty games government and business play against us. I think it's safe to say that I find groups like The New Black Panther Party deeply offensive but I need to be careful that my opposition doesn't turn into repression that affects my own liberties.
Another example is BP. Some people turn this into a Right v. Left issue but the real threats affect all of regardless of ideology. People died on a platform that had safety issues raised about it just days before the disaster. Hundreds of thousands of people will be affected by less work and higher inflation. Something I'm personally aware of that hasn't made it into the news is that many people along the gulf eat freely foods that are now poisoned. What will they do? Marshlands that have a special place in my heart are destroyed. Can we trust BP and the Obama Administration that everyone affected will get justice? How can we be sure that corruptocrats and their buddies won't shaft us for their own personal gain? I'd MUCH rather work with people I have an honest disagreement with than some schmuck I can't touch.
I'll work my end, Cynic. If we can work on anything together, I welcome the opportunity.
Green Party is not the Answer
The Green Party is just another group of White Liberals who are going to do what all other Parties do, when they get party they disregaurd and take over and control Black people and Black Politics. At the end of the day, I dont want no white man ruling me or my community I dont care how nice he is, how many "black" children he has. Black people need to first gain economic power, that doesnt mean we become political unactive, we remain active, but we dont need the white liberals IMO, the Green Party to me is coming out looks like a bunch of disgruntled Democrats who will be just as effective for African people as the Democrats. I am much like Malcolm X, I never trust the kind of white person who always wants to be all up on black people, nor do I trust the type of black person who always wants to be under ( or on top) of white people. I think when you look at the Arabs of Dearbron Michigan, The White Cubans of Miami, African people should first gain economic control, build a solid block of voters, and then negotiate with the Republican, Democrat and Green Party on do they deserve our votes or not. I thank your your great insight, but the final solution joinging another political party, controlled by white liberal males who have lost power in the Democrat party, and a few disgrunlted black Democrats who lose office isnt going to do anything for us. I think we might need to try an RBG like Marcus Garvey, Steven Bantu Biko and Malcolm X type political lobby, which will be African nationalist, work with all, but our interest will be first and foremost. I am sure their are some nice white people in the Green Party, who will even marry a black person, but that imo is counter productive to building strong bonds between black men and black women and leaves black people grossly ifiltrated and gives the white liberal an escapist route. I know this idea wont be popular with the Editors at BAR. But its something me and my community are doing. And I hope I see spread across the nation. I like the Jewish, Cuban and Arab model of building a strong economy then going for political power. I know the white liberals dont like that because that leaves them powerless and they wont be able to control blacks but I mean either we want Black Power or we dont.
I agree with core principles
Quote:
"Think when you look at the Arabs of Dearbron Michigan, The White Cubans of Miami, African people should first gain economic control, build a solid block of voters, and then negotiate with the Republican, Democrat and Green Party on do they deserve our votes or not."
I would also throw in the Asians of the various an sundry "Chinatowns" throughout the country, or the Hispanics for that matter. A group I believe, objectively, is staunchly anti-assimilationist. Economic power IS political power in the US of A. Period, point blank. If anything, since the recession/depression that should be crystal clear. Without it, you're left flailing in the wind. With economic power in hand, these politicians will SEEK you out, without it, they pay lip service. Coming to your church and pretending to grove to "Amazing Grace" while really praying that God delivers the majority White vote. (You know, those "Independents" that get Obama's dick hard).
To those who say this thinking is "separatist" I laugh in your face. I don't know about you, but when I visit "Aunt May" and "Cousin Larry's" neighborhoods they look "kinda separate to me"-- know what I mean? And they didn't end up there because they had a bad real estate agent. Don't get caught up on this separatism nonsense. While you are sitting in Applebees, or munching on tapas on the local watering hole, trying to convince your white counterparts you are opposed to separatism or "nationalism," they are thinking how they can upgrade their home , improve their children's school district, access "upscale" shops and restaurants, live in "safer communities," (all those things the "Economic Development Planner" in your neck of the woods tout) and those choices impact residential patterns, which has the net affect of making your ass more separate. With "White Flight" and "Gated Communities" alive and well, separatism is the last thing you should worry about, it's like worrying about the Tea Party's "racism" when Obummer's policies is what you should be worrying about.
Look at the demographics on the ground before launching into mealy-mouth angst over "separatism." It's sort of like Israeli's complaining about Palestinians being "separatists."
I am not opposed to "investigating" or aligning with the Green Party per se; in fact I voted McKinney as a refutation of Obama, and organizations do require some structure. But I agree, whether Green, Red or Brown Party, without economic power you ain't at the "party" and if you are, you are most likely a "wall flower." Get my drift???
The seperatist title is one
The seperatist title is one that people like to accuse black nationalism of, and complain about white nationalism yet never twart it or stop it. The editors at BAR have produced several reports saying the black and white communites will never gain economic parity, its several reports that are saying that America is more segregated today education and economic wise than it was the year Martin Luther King died. I live in a community that is 98% black, all the Gas stations are Arab or Hindu owned. All the other structures are white owned, and you have a few runed down black buildings. My intelligence tells me that protecting your own self interest is no seperatist its just plan common sense.
The brother ahead of me talked about moving to Africa. And thats something that is on the plate. I wouldnt marrying a Shona woman, living in Zimbabwe. I am 28 years old, man I am not going to sit in a country where black people disenfranchise themsleves with idiot quotes like " We only 12% of the population" ( jews are only 2%), "Obama cant adddress black issues, his hands tied behind his back" ( Yet he can fill out NCAA Basketball brackets with both hands on espn). Post Racial America is coded language for Post Black Politics. Man my brain is not wrapped around this American nationality, the Wester Empire ( USA, UK, Canada, EU, Australia, and New Zealand). I know im an African, I know where I fit in the global scope of land, I know many of the tatics the America government uses against people around the world, they first experiment on African Americans with.
I will always be connected to the African community in the Western Hempishere, but my youth and age demand me to want to be treated like everyone else, you arent going to tell me its Post Racial America, the declining significance of race and then you cant talk about race. America is post racial yet a Half black president cant deal with black issues. If I didnt have such a grasp on history and was ignorant, It would be one thing, but my eyes wide open and Im pretty close to giving up on America, and maybe even Afriucan Americans, in the words of Robert Mugbae " If you lack the intelligence to work for your own best self interest then we will do it for you". Obama is one of the academic hitmen that Glenn Ford talk about, Im sorry, but this country enlsaved my great grandparents, jim crowed my mother and father, and give us a few token politicians tell us to assimilate then think its all good and Im going to support wars, then go to church talking about being a good christian. CHILD PLEASE!
Manhood is something that is lacking in the Blacl/African/Mulatto community worldwide. Aint nobody fooled by Obama, Obama knows hes full of shit, aint nobody this stupid. Im tired of the games. I love this site, they give great insight. But man at the end of the day, they are loyal to them White Liberals. I look at that white lady I see on this sight, facing 10 years in prison. Im like man, why would black even deal with a crazy white woman like that? How does Bill Ayers a terrorist be in our community, if a brother did some shit like Bill Ayers he would be with Jeff Fort in Colorado Prisons. We refuse to use our good intelligence.
At the end of the day other communites who have faced similar oppression from the Wester Empire like we African decendants, the CHinese, Russians and Japanese, have not simply demanded a pressence on the world stage by they have taken one without the help of white liberals, and mixed raced Chinese, Russian and Japanese people, The African world shall do the same. May the Eye of Ra be with me, May Allah be with me, May Jesus be with me. Thats my goal, to before I die give the African peoples of a world a respectable place on the world stage. Join the Green Party ? Hell NO!
B Afrikan...What you said was illuminating
Don't waste your time in Amerikkka brother. I really mean that with all my heart and if you are relocating to Africa (smart move) especially Zimbabawe do not become discouaraged. One of the many goals of Europeans is to have us believe our dreams of Black autonomy can not be achieved, yet they are wrong.
I remember an Asian man telling me some years ago (after a couple of beers I was a Bouncer at the time) that a straight Black man nor Asian can be a man in America. He was actually complaining about his work environment. He went into details on how he observed how he and his one black colleague were afraid of being fired for speaking up on how badly they were treated. Mind you these two individuals were highly educated computer experts, but still could not break the "white" supremacist wall of power for manhood (the ability to protect, support, and defend ones family as a hetrosexual man , my definiton and Dr. Frances Cress Welsings).
We as Black African people need to form our own. I commend Glen Ford for his efforts, but by the looks of him I would not consider him African. His loyalty / agenda is bent on trying to form a coalition with inbred mutant albinos ("WHITE" people) who are / or have been expoited by other "white" people, while I am not of that mind set.
Nevertheless, move......have dignity and leave Amerikkka. But be ready for a challenge.
HOTEP
Also
Did the Chinese, Japanese, Russia, Cuban American or Arab Amerian gain power by forming bonds with us and whites who are outside the mainstream? Did the so called loving Jews fully integrate themselves into the white system like they told us to do? You on point family if I had 2500 people like you we could literally change the African community in 25 years without casting a single ballot!
Real Talk
His loyalty / agenda is bent on trying to form a coalition with inbred mutant albinos ("WHITE" people) who are / or have been expoited by other "white" people, while I am not of that mind set.
I love people who aren't afraid to state the obvious, a lot of this rage on this site, might come from disgruntled democrats which is suspect to me. Not that I am better than the people, but Glenn Ford is probably mostly of European decent, but he has more sense that some Africans. I like this site for the useful information that articulates some things that goes against the mainstream.
I am 100% against unity with white liberals, they might be nice people, they might do nice things, but at the end of the day, white liberals simply want to control blacks and twart us from becoming a powerful force no different than the Republican party.
I was even looking at the one of the Green Party Debates, and you have a white lady with dreads. I mean the brother Bruce Dixon was talking about Douglas, but when you look at it, one of the mistakes they also made was aligning himself with so called nice white people who eventually turned their backs down on black people. Only blacks can get freedom and liberation for ourselves, we should not want anything from white liberals but them to stay out of our face. When you think about racism and white supremacy, why would the African community accept white rejects, who are friendly for the short term, but long term they going to run back to their whiteness. African people need a political organization in which White people nor their half black offspring have any say in, I know it might be mean or cruel, but man lets face it, look at reality and the real world. We need to have institutions we control. Them white liberals around black liberals always bring homosexuality, abortion beliefs and all types of crazy shit around African people.
Republican > Democrat > Green not the answer. You notice that sister who talked about all them organizations like Move and Republic of New Afrika,them white liberals did them in while the brothers and sisters doing like 15 years in prison. That Bill Ayers dude is a rich white boy who probably set up lots of brothers and he walking around free. Why isnt he teaching that liberal bullshit to white children>?
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His loyalty / agenda is bent on trying to form a coalition with inbred mutant albinos ("WHITE" people) who are / or have been expoited by other "white" people, while I am not of that mind set.
I love people who aren't afraid to state the obvious, a lot of this rage on this site, might come from disgruntled democrats which is suspect to me. Not that I am better than the people, but Glenn Ford is probably mostly of European decent, but he has more sense that some Africans. I like this site for the useful information that articulates some things that goes against the mainstream.
I am 100% against unity with white liberals, they might be nice people, they might do nice things, but at the end of the day, white liberals simply want to control blacks and twart us from becoming a powerful force no different than the Republican party.
I was even looking at the one of the Green Party Debates, and you have a white lady with dreads. I mean the brother Bruce Dixon was talking about Douglas, but when you look at it, one of the mistakes they also made was aligning himself with so called nice white people who eventually turned their backs down on black people. Only blacks can get freedom and liberation for ourselves, we should not want anything from white liberals but them to stay out of our face. When you think about racism and white supremacy, why would the African community accept white rejects, who are friendly for the short term, but long term they going to run back to their whiteness. African people need a political organization in which White people nor their half black offspring have any say in, I know it might be mean or cruel, but man lets face it, look at reality and the real world. We need to have institutions we control. Them white liberals around black liberals always bring homosexuality, abortion beliefs and all types of crazy shit around African people.
Republican > Democrat > Green not the answer. You notice that sister who talked about all them organizations like Move and Republic of New Afrika,them white liberals did them in while the brothers and sisters doing like 15 years in prison. That Bill Ayers dude is a rich white boy who probably set up lots of brothers and he walking around free. Why isnt he teaching that liberal bullshit to white children>?
Thanks comrade, I feel you
Thanks comrade, I feel you family. I was born in Germany, so I spent almost 1/4 of my life outside the USA.